Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni meeting with ‘Jimenez’ in a hotel room. Screen shot/FBI video

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In FBI undercover video and audio recordings, Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni of Los Alamos explains to undercover agent Jimenez that he had a “top of the top” clearance and that he held a security clearance from the Department of Defense and from the Department of Energy.

Mascheroni, 79, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Argentina, was recently sentenced to 60 months in prison for Atomic Energy Act and other violations relating to his communication of classified nuclear weapons data to a person he believed to be a Venezuelan government official.

Mascheroni is captured on video telling “Jimenez” that he knows how to design a nuclear warhead and that his program has two targets – nuclear weapons and commercial energy – and that his laser can be converted to another type of laser that is capable of blinding spy satellites and can finish them off in an afternoon. Mascheroni declares that the U.S. is going to be hungry for oil and would love to control Venezuela’s oil. He tells Jimenez to, “Picture the following scenario: Picture that Venezuela could have 40 nuclear weapons” by 2020 and that that would keep the United States from invading Venezuela.”

Mascheroni discusses various aspects of his secret classified nuclear weapons program for Venezuela and suggests that Venezuela try to obtain a high explosive package from Iran. He tells Jimenez that “nobody will know that I am using my brain helping the Venezuelan government.”

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EXHIBIT 1B
SUMMARY OF VIDEO CLIPS CONTAINED ON EXHIBIT 1A
3-30-08 Clips 1 through 14 – from meeting between Defendant and Jimenez on March 30, 2008

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Defendant says, “Would you please tell me your title. You are a member of the Venezuelan government, right?”
Defendant acknowledges that the meeting is dangerous, could be extremely bad for him, and has to be in absolute confidence.
Jimenez assures Defendant that Jimenez is a trusted person of Venezuela.

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Defendant explains that he had a top of the top clearance and that he held a security clearance from the Department of Defense and from the Department of Energy.

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Defendant tells Jimenez that he knows how to design a nuclear warhead.

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Defendant tells Jimenez that his program has two targets – nuclear weapons and commercial energy – and that his laser can be converted to another type of laser that is capable of blinding spy satellites and can finish them off in an afternoon.

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Defendant declares that the U.S. is going to be hungry for oil and would love to control Venezuela’s oil. He tells Jimenez to “Picture the following scenario: Picture that Venezuela could have 40 nuclear weapons” by 2020 and that that would keep the United States from invading Venezuela.

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Defendant discusses various aspects of his secret classified nuclear weapons program for Venezuela and suggests that Venezuela try to obtain a high explosive package from Iran.
Defendant tells Jimenez that “nobody will know that I am using my brain helping the Venezuelan government.”

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Defendant discusses dropping his American citizenship and explains additional aspects of his nuclear weapons program for Venezuela, which will be similar to LANL.
Defendant discusses how Venezuela will have a secret underground nuclear reactor and will be able to conduct nuclear weapons tests.
Defendant explains his “gorgeous idea” of how Venezuela will be able to conduct undetectable tests of micro bombs.

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Defendant discusses how when Venezuela has its stockpile of 30-40 nuclear weapons, it will conduct a test in the Pacific Ocean by exploding one of the bombs “just to let the world know what we got.”
Defendant suggests proving Venezuela’s power to the U.S. by exploding a bomb over New York to create an electromagnetic pulse. He claims that the EMP would destroy all of the electrical power in New York but would not kill anybody. He explains that this is full deterrence.
Defendant explains how Venezuela can serve as an umbrella by saying that “if any nation outside Latin America attacks any nation inside Latin America, we are going to retaliate with nuclear bomb!”

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Defendant discusses information with Jimenez that he admits is still “top classified.”

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Defendant discusses laser amplifiers and that Venezuela would be able to focus the laser at a missile and disable the electronics in the missile so that the missile does not know how to operate the nuclear bomb inside. Defendant makes sure Jimenez approves by asking him, “Do you like that?”
Jimenez confirms that he does like what Defendant has been discussing and that it sounds as if Defendant has really thought things through.

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Defendant tells Jimenez he can deliver a bomb in 10 years.

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Defendant tells Jimenez that he needs to set up a new email address to communicate with Jimenez.
Defendant assures Jimenez that the FBI and CIA have given up on investigating him.
Defendant lets Jimenez know that a piece of information he is giving Jimenez is classified but that he does not consider it classified.

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Defendant acknowledges that he will need to work with scientists he can trust.
Defendant expresses a concern that the CIA may try to “put a bullet in [his] brain.”
Defendant instructs Jimenez that they need to be very careful about security because it cannot be known that he is doing classified work for Venezuela.
Jimenez explains that Defendant can be of great help spearheading the program for Venezuela, and Defendant Mascheroni responds that he “would like very much to do it, very much.”

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Defendant tells Jimenez that he likes Hugo Chavez.
Defendant asks Jimenez if he will be able to obtain Venezuelan citizenship. Jimenez assures him that he will be able to do so.

3-31-08 Clips 1 through 2 – from meeting between Defendant and Jimenez on March 31, 2008

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Defendant asks Jimenez if he is something like a Venezuelan CIA officer. Jimenez responds that they should just leave it at Intelligence.
Defendant tells Jimenez that their conversations are classified.

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Defendant tells Jimenez that continuing to “scream[]” at Congress for a hearing for five years is “excellent cover, excellent cover” for Venezuela’s nuclear weapons development program.
Defendant admits that Congress is “never going to give” him a hearing.
Defendant lets Jimenez know that it will be like he is two people, one of whom will look as if he is an American citizen working on unclassified energy projects. That person will be able to attract the top scientists Venezuela needs to carry out Defendant’s University strategy. The other persona Defendant will have is that of a citizen of Venezuela working on Venezuela’s secret classified nuclear weapons program. That persona will go by the name “Luke.”

8-15-09 Clips 1 through 3 – from meeting between Defendant and Jimenez on August 15, 2009

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Defendant tells Jimenez that he was “extremely impressed by” Hugo Chavez and that he and Chavez have something in common – the American government is going to be his enemy.

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Defendant discusses having scientists studying how to conduct nuclear tests in secret.
Defendant discusses how the scientists in Venezuela will be the “group that will produce a bomb,” but that the scientists in the United States will never know about them because if they did, “those scientists, they are very, very patriotic, and very this and very that. As soon as they know, the CIA and everything just come after us. That will never ever happen. It cannot.”

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Defendant tells Jimenez that he “made a very conscious decision that what I wanted to do is to go to the embassy ….”

EXHIBIT 2B
SUMMARY OF AUDIO CLIPS CONTAINED ON EXHIBIT 2A
3-29-08 Clips 1 through 3 – from phone conversation between Defendant Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni and Defendant Marjorie Roxby Mascheroni on March 29, 2008

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Defendant informs his co-defendant that he has received a phone call from Luis Jimenez, a member of the government of Venezuelan who is not a scientist, and that he has a meeting set up with Jimenez the next day at 10:30.

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Defendant states that this is just how the Argentines did it when they came to Albuquerque just to meet with him.
Defendant asks his co-defendant to call him the next day at 12:30 to check on him.

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Defendant informs his co-defendant that his meeting with Jimenez is secret and that she is not to tell anybody about it, including their son.
Defendant tells his co-defendant he does not want to go to the meeting and get kidnaped.

3-30-08 Clips 1 through 2 – from phone conversation between Defendant Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni and Defendant Marjorie Roxby Mascheroni on March 30, 2008

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Defendant informs his co-defendant that he met with Jimenez for about 3 hours and that Jimenez was very enthusiastic about his ideas. He says that Jimenez “took seriously my little thing.”
Defendant wonders aloud why he did not connect with Venezuela long ago and that now he was going to have money.
Defendant tells his co-defendant that Jimenez is an intermediary who represents the Venezuelan government.
Defendant says that he wanted his co-defendant to know that “Really, I have a lot of money here. Money. You know, solid money.”

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Defendant informs his co-defendant that he will be meeting with Jimenez again and that he will be providing him with a presentation he made to American scientists that “is a very good presentation,” “contains a lot of information,” and provides “a very clear assessment of, you know, as a scientist who I am, or etc.”

3-31-08 Clips 1 through 2 – from phone conversation between Defendant Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni and Defendant Marjorie Roxby Mascheroni on March 31, 2008

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Defendant tells his co-defendant that he “can make a lot of money here,” and that “this is our opportunity to make money,” and that “this is a lot of money.”

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Defendant tells his co-defendant that Venezuela “really like[s] what I am proposing,” and that he planned to be in Venezuela in approximately October.
Defendant says, “If they really want me, they have to pay a lot of money for me,” and that he is “talking about 1 to 2 million a year.”
Defendant informs his co-defendant that he is talking about “a lot of money. And a lot of power.”
Defendant lets his co-defendant know that he is “really, very, very turned on with this.”

6-25-09 Clip 1 – from phone conversation between Defendant Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni and Defendant Marjorie Roxby Mascheroni on June 25, 2009

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Defendant lets his co-defendant know that as for the United States, “This place for me, there is no future,” but that “now, I am going to have money to move my thing. Real money, Marjorie. So I am going to be the boss with power, money, and science.”
Defendant tells his co-defendant that, “In terms of money, I think we made it.”

EXHIBIT 3B
SUMMARY OF AUDIO CLIPS CONTAINED ON EXHIBIT 3A
6-28-09 Clip 1 – from conversation between Defendant Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni and Defendant Marjorie Roxby Mascheroni on June 28, 2009 in connection with dead drop #3 wherein Defendant received $20,000.

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Defendant informs his co-defendant that “This is very dangerous and I am doing it for money.”
Defendant says he has done everything he could and, “I told you, I am not American anymore. This is it.”
Defendant says his health is not that great and “I fought as much as I could. I didn’t give up and now you are going to see money. I am not going to keep advocating. You know, Marjorie, your nation, your nation ….”
Defendant advises his co-defendant that “the most important thing that you have to understand, is that this is a great opportunity to save my career as a scientist, get some money, and all that and so on and so forth.”
Defendant declares that “I am going to give up my American citizenship, it is just a matter of time but I am going to do that. And the reason is, the most important reason is, my absolute lack of trust in the American system, in the Constitution, and all that.”

8-7-09 Clip 1 – from conversation between Defendant Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni and Defendant Marjorie Roxby Mascheroni on August 7, 2009.

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Defendant informs his co-defendant that “bottom line, you know, some time ago I made my decision,” and when he went to “talk to the people in Venezuela, which was immediately after I had this very ugly communication,” he knew he had to decide whether to continue “living in the way I was living” and “depend on our little money,” or “really work hard” knowing “what I have to do … this kind of stuff is difficult. Not difficult, very difficult.” Even so, Defendant is “going to try anyway. That was my decision and that’s my decision now, because the other decision, this decision of continue you know pushing in Congress and trying this and that, we know it is closed. And we know there is no future. And we know that you are going to be poor at some point.”

8-16-09 Clip 1 – from conversation between Defendant Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni and Defendant Marjorie Roxby Mascheroni on August 16, 2009.

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Defendant chastises his co-defendant for failing to lie to Jimenez during their meeting the day before, telling her that if she does not lie and say she does not edit his work, she is “going to get in trouble here in the United States and there in Venezuela, because they are going to say ‘Marjorie knew everything,’ ok. They are going to make a case against you. And then when they say they have a good case against you, they are going to offer you amnesty or some whatever if you talk.”
Defendant tells his co-defendant that he “didn’t choose this. Reality is there is no option.”
Defendant tells his co-defendant that she “just have to learn to say, ‘I don’t edit his work.’ You lie. Yeah. Big deal. You just have to do it.”

8-18-09 Clips 1 through 2 – from conversation between Defendant Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni and Defendant Marjorie Roxby Mascheroni on August 18, 2009

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Defendant runs a red light.

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After running the red light, with his radar detector beeping, Defendant tells his co-defendant, “If there is a policeman saying, ‘You did run a red light …,’ we’re just going to say, ‘No, it was a green light.’”